The murder in Woolwich
has shocked everyone, no one was prepared for such a killing on the streets of
the UK. The response has been of
disgust and condemnation. This
incident has raised some questions that politicians and the mainstream media
have conveniently dodged. I am disgusted and appalled by what has
taken place, but why should I have to condemn or apologise for such a crime, it
had nothing to do with me.
Why is it that Muslims
and Muslim organisations are expected to condemn and distance themselves from
the actions of two individuals?
Why is it that Muslim organisations do not even need to be prompted to
condemn; they are readily condemning actions that have nothing to do with
them. There has been no attempt by
Muslim organisations to discuss the causes of the attack, no attempt to
question the mainstream media narrative that imposes labels on Muslims.
I was born and brought
up in a majority Muslim area of Birmingham. I have travelled the country and the world. I have come across thousands of
Muslims, spoken, debated and challenged opinions. Radicalisation is not a religious problem, it is a problem
of society, and specifically, in this case, British society.
Muslim leaders have
been scared into silence. Prevent
officers visiting mosques and community leaders frighten them. They are told that if Muslims display
any political opinions outside the mainstream then they are extremists, that if
they do not inform on them, that their bank accounts can be frozen, mosques
closed and they could face prison.
Muslims are afraid. Muslim organisations and leaders are
subservient to the state, scared to mention foreign policy as a radicalising
factor just in case they are harangued for justifying the murder. It has got to such a state that we do
not even realise that our minds have been conditioned through years of media
misrepresentation and widespread Islamophobia. Questioning the reason for a murder does not mean condoning
or justifying it. Condemning
something that has nothing to do with you feeds into the narrative that this is
a Muslim problem, that this is something that the Muslim community are
responsible for, at least in part.
In turn so-called
Muslim leaders stifled debate and discussion in mosques, too afraid to discuss
anything political. For too long
they have played a subservient role to the state, asking for a seat at the
table and hoping for crumbs to be passed to them. I have not met a Muslim that has condoned the actions in
Woolwich, but let’s not ignore what radicalises. British foreign policy radicalises, double standards
radicalise, making Muslim youngsters feel like their opinions are not
legitimate radicalises, stifling debate and discussion radicalises, not giving
people a conduit to vent their opinions and frustrations radicalises, a lack of
identity in Britain radicalises, we are either extremists or moderates.
We are told that
Muslims are equal citizens in this country but the reality is something very
different. If we say we don’t
drink, we are labelled anti-social or not willing to integrate, if we drink we
are labelled moderate, if a Muslim wears a hijab, she is oppressed, if she
doesn’t she is liberated, if we express an opinion outside of the mainstream
narrative, we are angry, if we join a mainstream political party we are
passionate, if we sing the praises of the British establishment we are liberals,
if we object to foreign policy we are extremists or Islamists. I for one am fed up of this apologetic
and subservient tone. I have
nothing to apologise for, I should not be asked to condemn the actions of two
men that had nothing to do with me just as a white man should not be asked to
condemn the murders committed by Anders Brevik or for the violent actions of
the English Defence League.
Have Muslims not
proved their worth to this country?
Muslims have bled for this country during WWI and WWII, they have fought
for Empire, they have served as colonial subjects, they have waved the flags,
sang the anthems and anglicised their names –Mo and Ed. But still we are not accepted; we still
hear ‘Muslim appearance’ in the mainstream media, which basically means
non-white, not one of us.
I am privileged, I
went to university, I had an abundance of left-wing white friends that never
questioned my opinions because of my religion or ethnicity, that accepted me as
an equal, and made me feel that I had a place in society, we shared our
politics as well as our battles.
My parents still fear
that I will be arrested for writing and expressing an opinion as a
journalist. I have been inundated
with calls since the attack from Muslims that are afraid of a backlash, one
even asked me if there would be ethnic cleansing. I told them not to be afraid because I had faith in the
British people to see through the fog that politicians and mainstream media
perpetuate.
I was born here, I am
British, I am standing in the tradition that says that my opinion is just as
valid as anyone else’s, that I have a right to object to the hypocritical
treatment vented out to Muslims without being accused of condoning or
justifying such attacks. There are Muslims that will disagree with me, that is
fine, we must understand that we are not a homogenous group, Anjum Choudry and
his motley crew do not represent me, neither do the Muslim Council of Britain
with their 400 affiliated mosques run by old men in committees. Unfortunately non-Muslims in the
public sphere represent my views more than our so-called Muslim leaders.
To be ‘leaders’,
senior Muslim figures must lead.
Whilst politicians and the media carry on scapegoating Muslims, a true
community leadership must face up to the reality of foreign policy and
suppression of Muslim communities over the last decade, and call it out for
what it is.
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57 comments:
God I hate muslims. You need to leave the west and go home to your "holy land," where you can practice sharia law all you want.
Ironically anonymous most of the Western laws or actions are based upon Islamic prnciples
Keep hating on Muslim's they're the reason why you're alive. Where does your food/ clothing come from? I'm a revert myself and I LOVE ISLAM so keep your shit views to yourself if one does bad not everyone is the same. That's just like saying if the edl are racist so are white people. Go educate yourself GIMP.
The above commenter needs an education. The journalist is a breath of fresh air.
"You need to leave the west and go home to your "holy land,"", seems ironic when the british are the ones occupying other people's countries. What a dumbass!!!!!!!
MUSLIMS ARE THE BEST.
M.D.L United We Stand, Divided We Fall.
You need to go to hell and stop hating on Muslims you racist cunt!!
how would you sleep in the cold winters without muslim oil and gas for which your people have killed for. As for "leaving the west" i agree only when you have returned all our wealth that you have stolen. All you would be left with is fish and chips, that's if your lucky!
I don't do religion but have no problems with it and im English white for the sake of what im going to say, way i see it if your not causing trouble to anyone you have free right to worship, be who ever you want and express yourself with out judgement, most English folk that have 2 brain cells to rub together would agree, think it doesn't matter who you are or where you are from, if you cause trouble you arnt welcome here, that applies to thug groups like bnp and Muslim extremists, ANYONE, it can be abit of a culture shock on both sides of the argument, some people struggle with difference, i wouldn't worry to much about the EDL, BNP ect they are the bigots of this country, the bad eggs, Islam just needs to tough it out, I cant imagine what its like to feel discriminated against on such mass scale for the sake of two idiot murdering scum that insult your religion, then again I can sort of understand because I have to put up with the EDL/BNP claiming to represent England lol
do one ya twat!
Nice to see a considered debate in the comment section...
Thank you Assed, for being the voice you are calling out for in your piece. Your dedication and passion to steadfast journalism shines through in your writing.
Please remain strong in your righteous struggle, it is not in vain.
Me-Hur-Ba-e-Ni
"It has got to such a state that we do not even realise that our minds have been conditioned through years of media misrepresentation"
Funny, could say the same thing about religion.
All it does is control and has caused problems all over the world since its inception.
I was born here as catholic, and accepted Islam. This is my home. where would you like me to go? I am Muslim. Alhamdulilah
I think Assed has hit the nail on the head. The only problem was with the following sentence "Prevent officers visiting mosques and community leaders frighten them." where I read "police" instead of "prevent". Is that right?
ATB
Stevie
Ya some time ago I've met an Arab family and was so impressed with their love of Allah and their bib..respect is all I hear in this family. They remind me of my grandparents fervor for their god. So its all the same. People if your god isn't about love ya better check and do better.
Clearly I understand your position of why you would say "why should the muslim community have to apologize for the two freaks." However consider this for a moment there is an abundance of fear on both sides of an event like this. And to Hear the muslim community publicly condemn such an act goes along way towards quelling and mitigating fear in non-muslims with such a widely publicized event. Think of it as a household. If one brother continually gets away with abusing the other siblings with out intervention from the leader of the household surely bad things will happen sooner or later. I find your article important and it has given me something to think about in respect to the muslim viewpoint. I know the sword cuts both ways but what is prevalent is the domination of the earth which I read for myself in the Koran as a 14 year old boy as my step-father was a muslim and had one I could read. I turned away from it because even at such a young age I knew this world will never be of one religion. Therefore the words alone create a fear in people who do not wish to be dominated. I believe it is the duty of Islam to either nicely explain that world domination is not the goal via domination and violence and even death for the ones who will choose to believe differently. Its a tough spot to be in but with goals such as these it is inherently problematic to Islam in my opinion. I know a few muslims not many but I know that isn't everyones personal goal but think of the ones who do not understand this. I have been to quite a few Muslim majority countries and have found the people to be equally nice and some equally disappointing as we are all human. just my two cents...
religion is the root of all evil
I am not a religious person for reasons like this people arguing and fighting over religion. People using religion as a guise to commit evil acts and atrocities. That is all religions. Holy men commiting rape, mutilation and muder all under the guise of religion. People like the bnp and the edl and any far right muslim extremist group need to be locked that simple. You can't differenciate unfortunately. You have a few idiots on here also who can't seem to understand the notion of integration. The first person who said all Muslims need to go home and then the other idiot who said muslims are the best. Muslims What aren't the best we are all equal. You can't kick out people who are born here, like the extremist that committed the killing in Woolwich but I would just like to question why all these people that hate the west so much seem to find it their country of choice in which to live? Makes no sense to me. Surely wouldn't it be better if these extremist people emigrated to any number of Islamic countries of their choice in which to live a normal peaceful and non barbaric way of life? Last but not least why is it that you feel it is not your place as a British citizen to condone the actions of this evil who yet again have committed the crime under the name of religion or in this case again Islam? Certain people don't have a problem grouping all Americans and all Jews as one for instance?
I am not a religious person for reasons like this people arguing and fighting over religion. People using religion as a guise to commit evil acts and atrocities. That is all religions. Holy men commiting rape, mutilation and muder all under the guise of religion. People like the bnp and the edl and any far right muslim extremist group need to be locked that simple. You can't differenciate unfortunately. You have a few idiots on here also who can't seem to understand the notion of integration. The first person who said all Muslims need to go home and then the other idiot who said muslims are the best. Muslims What aren't the best we are all equal. You can't kick out people who are born here, like the extremist that committed the killing in Woolwich but I would just like to question why all these people that hate the west so much seem to find it their country of choice in which to live? Makes no sense to me. Surely wouldn't it be better if these extremist people emigrated to any number of Islamic countries of their choice in which to live a normal peaceful and non barbaric way of life? Last but not least why is it that you feel it is not your place as a British citizen to condone the actions of this evil who yet again have committed the crime under the name of religion or in this case again Islam? Certain people don't have a problem grouping all Americans and all Jews as one for instance?
"Why is it that Muslims and Muslim organisations are expected to condemn and distance themselves from the actions of two individuals?"
Because the two murderers call themselves Muslims, and claim to have committed this hideous crime in the name of Islam, while shouting "Allahu Akbar".
"... ‘Muslim appearance’ in the mainstream media, which basically means non-white, ..."
It doesn't mean non-white to me, it means somebody dressed as a Muslim, e.g., wearing a Hijab, or a thobe.
It is my personal view that Islam is a dirty, disgusting and foul religion which is thousands of years out of date. I can't modernise with society so it becomes marginalised. Islam is unacceptable.
Why do we seem to always talk about the same thing. Does anyone get the real picture. Reading through the comments it's as if people don't get it. The only reason we go into Muslim countries is because of our demand on oil and in some cases cheap labor. It's not just Muslim countries, it's every country that has this. Our world revolves around this. It big companies behind this. They feed the politics. Then people get opinions, some people retaliate in the name of Allah, then some people go against those people, then some people talk about it and before you know it here we are again. It's a circle. And unless the MASSES actually stand up and not just this person and that person it' not going to change. There is however one way you can be sure that the occupation of tropes in Muslim countries can go away. Inflate your oil prices so much it forces them to look elsewhere or the come up with affordable electric cars that can run as long as gas. Until then, buckle down cause your on the merry go round of life
I've read your article and thought about it. I think when it comes down to it, we're all scared. We all feel victimised and if you go far back enough in history, no matter what class, colour, religion or political belief, we all have something that we can claim is unfair. The truth is, we are all human. Sometimes humans behave horribly, violently and with no honour. To balance it, sometimes people are brave, caring and just want harmony in the world. If we strip ourselves of colour and religion, I do think we all want the same thing. A happy life for us and our families and to be heard and given respect.
Where does my food and clothing come from? Muslims? I think not in any meaningful sense.
Not all Muslims are like these guys. These guys are hard Right, and quite unpleasant.
There's a difference between military operations in another country, and living in a country, benefitting from its protection and citizenship, but hating it, feeling none of the usual loyalties and sentiments, and being a citizen in law only. That's problematic, and it makes other people angry, for obvious reasons.
We don't steal a thing, certainly not gas, and you're not entitled to reparations. If you see us as "other", then you're an enemy within, and should really choose to either get with the program or emigrate to a country you don't hate.
Re-read the above piece, and the comments it has attracted below. This man doesn't deserve your sympathy; he shares a worldview with the two killers, he is ultra right wing.
Bless you, mate, for words of sanity. Men like the author do indeed scare and make angry the people that they clearly hate and despise. Men like the author create the EDL, and Douglas Murray.
Oh dear, did the first commenter actually read the article? Seems to have completely missed the point.
Thanks for the this, an interesting and important read.
You articulated your point beautifully! Yesterday I wondered the same thing; I am Black (Caribbean) and I have absolutely nothing to apologise for. What happened was done by an individual representing himself. Dale Cregan murdered four people (including two police officers on duty) and dropped a grenade just to top it off and no one labelled it terrorism nor did any white group take responsibility for his actions. What do we have to apologise for?
It's almost as if we are all collectively accused and we have to openly condemn the act just to prove to white Britain that we aren't all like that.
I hate this 'house negro/muslim' mentality of some people in 'our community'. No one feels brave enough to address the problem that is radicalising these young men. The media's definition of a 'terrorist' is another thing that gets on my nerves. The man who murdered Tia Sharp is a terrorist, the priest molesting boys are terrorists, the men raping women are terrorists, the young men stabbing their peers on the street in the UK are terrorist as are the men who carried out the attack in Woolich.
While I'm at it, isn't it funny than when we (Black or Muslim or other) represent Britain our native land/religion is never mentioned. Amir Khan is never referred to as Muslim.
These men were simply British yet the tags 'Nigerian' and 'Muslim' had to be added just to further paint it in the hearts of the British people that they were 'one of them'. If these men had discovered the cure for Cancer they would have simply been British.
Regarding the EDL ... uneducated, imbecilic, racist, foul radicalised extremists.
I had a job reading till the end of this article.
Whine about how afraid muslims are in the UK
Rubbish
I live in France an english ex-pat yet I heard on our medias that chowdray bloke whatisname, calmly being interviewed by loads of medias saying that it was normal, and he didn't criticize it and to expect more.
I was in Britain in 2011 - riots and this nutter doing his stuff in front of the cathedral of the royal wedding, nobody bothered him except to move a bit further away. THAT's the british 'attitude' so tolerant.
And two court cases, Rochdale and honour killing of pakistani family that took years to come out. Because the kids were threatened by their families, all the social services were afraid of being attacked as racist.
Britain is a sick country and is slowly waking up. But they don't have proper civil nor political groups who can counter this. Only other thugs.
I think that ordinary people need to be able, and have the courage (so long lacking after years of multi culti brainwashing), to speak up. I saw all my neighbours, family and friends from every angle, political, well off or not, all said that they didn't agree with 'all that', but they all said 'we can't say anything'.
So its proof that the system in the Uk is wrong, they did the wrong immigration policy for 30 years and chose non integration.
Great statement. Thanks
We have your land, we control your Moslem economy, your leaders are paid for & we give you a better life.
Because of our inventions you can live a good healthy life. Did you know who invented even the paracetamol? Think!
Our military is strong and can walk into your land when we feel like it and kill any who oppose us. We own the media too. But we don't kill your people as much as we could.
You don't have brains to improve your life but we do.
So you better know the score and get with the program and you will have a great life.
So much hate in some of these comments, by people hiding behind anonymity. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but at least have the courage, backbone and pride to put your name next to your belief (or are you ashamed?).
Good article, I agree, well written, well stated.
I completely concur with you. I'm not British but American and a disabled soldier.
Because they sought justification in the name of Islam a hateful and oppressive ideology. Anyone is welcome in the UK if they share our concepts of freedom and democracy. Islam does not. Islam is a backward medieval dogma with no place in the modern world.
Why post as "anonymous"? Well there's only one religion in the world which hacks peoples heads off if they critise it - backward Islam.
This article is just massively let down by including a picture of one of the attackers; oxygen of publicity - isn't needed here.
even with a vaccination system a few ppl will still catch a bug. this is how it will be. all that matters is how we react. educate yourself and travel the world so you can remove your blindfolds
Very interesting article and considered article. However, you complain about being described as a type of Muslim but this is primarily how you describe yourself (at least in this article). If I described myself as a Catholic all the time I might be described as Strict Catholic, Liberal Catholic depending on my view on contraception, church attendance, even eating meat on Friday etc.
why the Quran justifies the Woolwich Beheaders, and will justify more to come:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH7Ty8iPh5c
The #1 source of daily intel on global Islam:
http://tinyurl.com/islamwatchblog
Muslin parents produce people with a warped sense of self-worth, then surprisingly ask why they should apologise when their sons turn into murderers.
They are blind to the truth.
i think we can all agree here, that the issue is not race... it's religion... forget what you've been "taught" and start afresh. It's pretty liberating, come join us :)
yeah. you dont have to apologize. the point is not there.
the mafia is catholic !! we have nothing to do with them. and extremist muslims believe in quran... you have nothing to do with them.
but there is a huge difference between these criminals.
when mafiosi commit crimes, they don't scream : Allahu Akbar. so even if i asked mafiosi to stop killing, as they don't do that in the name of god, it is useless.
but, as a muslim, you have the power to ask them not to do that because it is against islam. you can EVEN HELP them saying that coz they have been brainwashed by someone, somewhere.
you feel islamophobia around you. i feel christianophobia/westernphobia from muslims...
i am indecent and naked (not wearing hijab), my religion is not good (the bible has been falsified), i will go to hell (jesus will testify against every christian)... i am inviting men to rape me (ahmed deedat said it coz i dont wear a hijab - i received the vid tons of times). i heard dozens of times : here we hate westerners (in jordan, it is usual and normal to hate westerners).
2 sentences i received in the last days (but i have tons of examples):
A GIRL (2 days ago) : "At least i wear hijab and you are wearing nothing at all. I wish Allah may put you on the right path to wear hijab/niqab/burqa. Im sure you do haram things too"
this weekend a very nice student in medecine asked me if i would be pleased that he masturbated himself looking at my pics on FB !!!
i am very PRO-PALESTINIAN... and it never ends... not a week without comments like that. i am the indecent whore... with her cheap religion.
i am french-canadian. and i know : less racism here than in the middle east...
With this brutal incident I´m still asking myself: "Staging a New Bogeyman for Colonial Wars?" http://wipokuli.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/staging-a-new-bogeyman/
History has too many examples not to enter into such considerations!
Andreas Schlüter
Sociolgist
Berlin, Germany
Muslim is a race now? Funny, thought it was a religion.
@french canadian lady. I think its shame people say that to you and if they were true muslims they would know its not up to them to make judgements on you. I am a muslim and I dont wear hijab and ive had people passing judgements on me, which made me question my faith. But speaking to proper muslims and seeking my own knowledge told me that its not up to them to judge me as its between me and God, and I regained my faith. In my eyes faith is something personal, my relationship with God is in my own heart. Now the beauty of islam overwhelms me and I hope one day you will look past all the superficial aspects of what people say and do because not everyone has the knowledge and it's best to seek your own knowledge.
History shows people fear whats alien and unknown to them it also shows how people will manipulate this to legitimise their own agenda as well as religion, ethinic tensions, socio economic grievances.
lmao always moaning that the goverment and press is the cause for so much hate and negative press haha....the press dont even report half the shit you muslims do... like the slaughter of a christian village 10 days ago that still hasnt been reported on news.. if anything the goverment is hiding what you cunts are truly like... ok not all but too many to just ignore... carry on and you cunts are all going to get exterminated
Religion of any sort causes more problems than arms sales and natural disasters combined, politics follows closely behind.
They just did the murder so people would be scared from them or to prove their point. It has nothing to do with Islam, some people may have different views, but it was what they wanted to do so they should be punished and Muslims should not need to justify it just because someone decided to kill a British solider
Here is an example: we went to war with Germany for what? They say it is for " fighting against racism" or "we should stop Hitler killing jews" but actually it was for power and resources, and what did we get? Millions were killed including Muslims and everyone suddenly decides to say that Muslims are bad and all that rubbish even though they had bled for there country.
what about oil and fuel? We live here today from Muslims and other cultures.
I agree with much of what you say but I have to ask you whether you are deliberately conflating the term 'apologize' with 'condemn': I can't honestly believe you are as you're a journalist and therefore make your living using words. I - like you - agree that no Muslim needs to apologize for the murder of Lee Rigby. Unlike you, I also believe that, along with anyone with any basic humanity, you and particularly other Muslims should condemn the murder. Why - since he is not representative of you and your fellow religionists? Well, quite simply because the murderer made it very clear he was undertaking a heinous act on behalf of Muslims; he stated he was doing this for his religion. Condemn him loudly - just as you should and do the British neo-colonial actions in Iraq and Afghanistan. To stand idly by and suggest it is nothing to do with you or the government's actions is a cop out. No apology required, just vocal an actual condemnation.
Every human being has human potentials. Those potentials might be directed towards good/evil, truly our beliefs and values groom these potentias.the bottom line is some people can be good while some can be wicked, your race,Religion,social status,gender etc might affect the use of these potentials. human beings are human beings.
Top read. You make very pertinent points.
May Allaah bless you.
Muslims are being radicalized by the foreign policy of the West but that alone is not enough to explain their radicalization. They are being radicalized by western intelligence agencies. This is a subject I know a lot about as I have been subject to this radicalization program myself (though I am a Japanese American, not a Muslim). I wrote an article about how I was radicalized, about how and why Muslims are being radicalized, in case you are interested:
http://bfanwo.blogspot.com/2012/09/everyone-must-always-uphold-my-three.html
If you want to learn more about this program, feel free to contact me. I've learned more about the program since I wrote that article.
Simple. We'll have all the Muslims that want to integrate and work in British society. Anyone who doesn't want to do that, go somewhere else. It's really not that complicated.
As for the author, some of your points are valid, the rest is just fantasy.
Regarding Mr Baig's video comments on the murder of Lee Rigby, could you be more delusional? How can you call yourself a journalist and come out with that unfounded rant?
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